soc.culture.pakistan

"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message
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> "Mavisbeacon" wrote in message
> news:5713d$47d41e55$4f610a83$19764@news.upc.ie...
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>> "Michelle Malkin" wrote in message
>> news:1sOdnR9ErqlfiFLanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>
>>> If your one message didn't get to me, I
>>> did nothing wrong.
>>
>>
>> YOU ACCUSED me of lying! You accused me of lying when it is clear I
>> rep;ied to you on 28 feb. By 5th march you were STILL insisting I had NOT
>> replied!
>>
>> You were WRONG! And insisting I had not replied and claiming my
>> references were FALSE proves youwere WRONG!
>>
>> Calling me a liar when all you had to do was look up the reference was
>> WRONG!
>
> You sent a mutilated message that you said
> was from me to you and which was from
> Christopher Lee to you (or vice versa).

WRONG!

Please provide a reference to this so called "mutilated message"!

I sent the reference to the original.

i also quoted VERBATUM - THE EXACT WORDS - which I posted in relation to the
nobeliefs website

You HAD to have read this because you posted about me "ignoring" the no
beliefs website so you must have read the response and noted all the other
things to which I responded.

You didnt take up them and only posted :
Message-ID: <7MOdnR9mqK68TlvanZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d (insert at sign here =@)
comcast.com> numbered 461/664 depending on which thread you look at
[begin quote]
Then why did you cut this out or ignore it:

http://nobeliefs.com:80/exist.htm
[end quote]

Within about five hours you got a reply to this which referred


Here are thiose words again NO MUTILATION!:


This was a reply DIRECTLY TO YOU and NOT to Christopher Lee or anyone else.
[Begin VERBATUM QUOTE FROM what Malkin claims is a mangled
reply]**************************


sorry about that . But it was posted after a claim about Jesus being a most
important person. I certainly don't think yu need to post evidence about
that. Most people even athiests and anti christians woudl agree with you.

I note you accept all the other sources you posted as not being primary
coincident written sources.


back to the above:


Begins caliming hearsay. Definition given: Hearsay means information derived
from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.


But at least some the scriptures are either the actual words of the people
who knew jesus or people who knew his message within a decade e.g. Paul of
tarsus.
Likewise where is the "non hearsay" in the case of alexander? all the
accounts above are hearsay by the definition given!




Next heading
THE BIBLE GOSPELS
goes on about how the early church removed hertitical gospels. But THESE
GOSPELS STILL EXIST and Also refer to Jesus . they are heretical because
they might say jesus was not god but they STILL refer to a historical Jesus!
Even people AGAINST Church teaching accepted Jesus existed.
My arguemtn is not that Jesus was god. that requires faith. the point was
about historical evidence for the MAN Jesus!

"Although the gospels of the New Testament-- like those discovered at Nag
Hammadi-- are attributed to Jesus' followers, no one knows who actually
wrote any of them." But that does not mean they can be discounted as
evidence. also we have "all we have is copies of copies" But I have posted
the q7 papyrus from the Qumran dead sea scrolls cave which may be a part of
the original Gospel


he author freely admiots 70 -90 AD for the four Gosples which AGREES with my
postion of first century documents within the lifetimes of the apostles!


he also says:
Even if the texts supported the notion that the apostles wrote them,
consider that the average life span of humans in the first century came to
around 30, and very few people lived to 70. If the apostles births occured
at about the same time as the alleged Jesus, and wrote their gospels in
their old age, that would put Mark at least 70 years old, and John at over
110.
[end quote]


but even hundreds of years earlier and at that time it was not uncommon for
Nobles (e.g. Senators who didnt go to war that is) to live into their 90s!
and if christ died 40 AD in this early thirties and the first gospel was 70
AD the writer might be 25 when Jesus died so the dates above woudl be 55 and
95. Granted 95 is very old but NOT impossible!


These COULD HAVE been written by eyewitnesess. Or dictated by them.


OTHER NEW TESTAMENT WRITINGS
mentions Paul never met Jesus but that he wrote around 60 C.E! just as in
the case odf socrates Aristotle never ment him but was given in this
discussion as "contemporary evidence"!
mentions that the epistle of james mentions Jesus but that it might not be
the apostle James . then again it MIGHT be the apostle so it might well be
evidence!


On Gnostic gospels he dismisses them as "hearsay" as well. But the evidence
of Alexander is also hearsay then!


He goes on:
All other sources (Christian and non-Christian) come from even less reliable
sources, some of which include: Mara Bar-Serapion (circa 73 C.E.), Ignatius
(50 - 98? C.E.), Polycarp (69 - 155 C.E.), Clement of Rome (? - circa 160
C.E.), Justin Martyr (100 - 165 C.E.), Lucian (circa 125 - 180 C.E.),
Tertullian (160 - ? C.E.), Clement of Alexandria (? - 215 C.E.), Origen
(185 - 232 C.E.), Hippolytus (? - 236 C.E.), and Cyprian (? - 254 C.E.). As
you can see, all these people lived well after the alleged death of Jesus.
Not one of them provides an eyewitness account, all of them simply spout
hearsay.
[end quote]


But a dictation of or rendering an eye witness account ISNT hearsay! Just as
writing down the story of an illiterate isnt hearsay! Many of the above DID
live within the lifetime of the apostles and others who [personally knew
Jesus! WE have much much WEAKER written evidence for Alexander the Great!


[end the verbatum quote from my reply DIRECTLY TO MALKIN on 28
feb]****************************

Since then you accused me of not replying and every time tyou did I referred
you to the above reply and asked what you thought.
I also asked about all the other points I made in earlier replies aside from
the ones about the "nobeliefs" website.

You accused ne of lying and kept ionsisting I had not replied.

Clearly I did reply on and BEFORE the 28 Feb and YOU ARE LYING about that!

When I posted your lies you then try to argue that I am dishonest beased on
what other people told you!
You make accusations and you produce NO EVIDENCE!

In fact all you have is hearsay! The ironic thing is that you are apparently
arguing (which I pointed out to you in my reply on the "nobeliefs" website)
that historical evidence for Jesus is hearsay.

Not alone are you a liar you contradict your own position by your
hypocritical actions!




> So,
> that was a lie on your part.


Where did I claim Christopher lees message was you message.

Christopher Lee asked questions to which I replied. You asked questions tyo
which I replied directly.
You then claimed I didnt reply to one of the points. This was a point unique
to you and not points which Christopher had raised about alexander the
Great.
I pointed out why I had not replied to that particular point and within five
hours I replied directly to you on this point!

You claimed I didnt reply and every time you did I suggested you look at you
question and look at the reply. I gave you the references to my reply and to
all the predeeding questions by you and form others.

YOU persisted in accusing me of lying!

You accused me of lying without evidence and you are trying to CHANGE your
false witness into some sort of pretence that I should have to defend myself
and prove myself honest. I dodnt! YOU HAVE TO PROVE GUILT! But it appears
your standards of justice are equivalent to yout LYING standards of honesty!

Anyonew can go and look at the above reply and see it was made DIRECTLY TO
YOU on 28 Feb!

They can see how many times you denied this reply existed in spite of being
referred to it several times.

They need only go to the following thread and look at exchanges between you
and I from about message 460 on:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f

instead of doing the "Christian thing" and admitting you were wrong your
slyness moves you to cover it up!


> Nothing you say
> can be trusted to be the truth.

I am not asking anyione to believe what I say. YOU are the one doing that!

I an saying to people. "Have an open mind. go and look at the above usenet
record and see for yourself. do not let me or Malkin tell you how to think.
Look for yourself and decide I am lying or Malkin is!"

I think anyone can see I gave you adirect reply and you kept insisting I
didnt even after I gave you a reference to it and cut and pasted it into
another reply and asked what you though of it! You KEPT ON CLAIMING this
reply didnt exist!



> You, Mavis old
> lad/lassie are a liar and a troll. I don't know if
> you took the part of the header with my name
> in it from another message or if the header
> does belong with that message but you gutted
> whatever I wrote out of the mssage.

You are a liar! You have the usenet reference. It is archived. ANYONE can
look it up!
You are only making things worse for yourself when you do not do the
"Christian thing" and admit your mistake!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f

You will see the whole thing it in that thread from around message 460 on.

I DO NOT COMPILE THE ARCHIVE! maybe you think I am involved in some
conspiracy with google and the Papacy? You are now looking more like a kook
in addition to your already established credintials as a sly liar who argues
that people should not be trusted just because of hearsay!


>Whichever
> it is, you made a mess of it and showed the
> entire world exactly how untrustworthy you are.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f

It is in the record. The world can make up its own mind.

9e74c$47c71d74$4f610a83$15355@news.upc.ie was a direct reply

to your message! 7MOdnR9mqK68TlvanZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...

You are a liar to suggest otherwise!

>
>>
>>>But, for you to say
>>> that several responses were sent that I
>>> didn't receive is a bit much.
>>
>> No it isnt! They were sent and you saw them becuae in YOUR REPLY you
>> still stated I was lying and hadnt replied when MY reply includes a cut
>> and paste of the reply!
>
> English isn't your first language, is it?

You try to move the issue to my use of language. In this case I used ENGLISH
in a direct reply and I referenced that reply and I cut and pasted the
entire content you claimed did not exist into other replies!


> Yes, that last
> reply included a mutilated message that had whatever
> I wrote, if anything, cut out of it. Whatever you carelessly
> left in the message wasn't from me.

I replied to the thread which christopher AND you were involved in .

In
you continued on from chriatopher and made some points about the historicity
of alexander the Great.
I replied to ALL of the points you made.

Then you followed with a message SPECIFICALLY FROM YOU
<7MOdnR9mqK68TlvanZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com>


where you ignore the "Alexander points" but specifically ask whyt I did not
reply on the "nobeliefs " website.

I which all you stated (in addition to any quotes from before) was:
[Malkins words]
Then why did you cut this out or ignore it:

http://nobeliefs.com:80/exist.htm
[end quote]


I immediately replied:
Message-ID: <9e74c$47c71d74$4f610a83$15355@news.upc.ie>
and discussed the "nobeliefs" website and attitudes to hearsay in relation
to Jesus and alexander and asked about double standards.

But you constantly dinied this reply in spite of several references to it
every time you denied it and even cut and pastes of the part about
"nobeliefs"!


You are clearly LYING if you claim I did not reply to you!

>>
>> In other words you actually replied to a message containong MY reply and
>> claiming that such a reply never existed. In spite of being show the
>> evidence!
>>
>>>No apology.
>>
>> It seems obvoius that you refuse to admit you were WRONG when clearly you
>> were wrong cna the evidence proves you wrong!
>
> You cheated in such a way as to prove that you
> are a liar.

I replied to you message directly you claimed I didnt!
I showed you the reply and cut and pasted it into other replies when you
continued to claim I did not reply.
I asked you what you thought of that reply and you ignored it and continued
to claim I had not replied.

these claims by you were AFTER several referencs to the reply and AFTER you
have been shown the text of the reply on the "nobeliefs"
webiste.

But rather that actually admit your accusations of no reply from me were
wrong you then tried to claim I was a known liar without ANY evidence and
based on hearsay from other biased people who no doubt were also shown up by
me and have a biased opinion!

>You did this to yourself, foolish troll.

You are a proven liar and the above is clear for anyone to see!
You got a reply and kept claiming you didnt!


> Pretty dumb on your part. And, I still have a copy
> of the message, so don't try to redo it. You'll just
> end up stuffing your oopsie foot further up your
> throat than it already is.

The message is in the usenet record and no amount of your lies about it will
change that!

>>
>>
>>> You are a known liar and fraud.
>>
>> Really? and the evidence is?
>
> See above. And thank you for providing
> more current evidence.


So no evidence there eh? Unlike me who supply all the above references for
anyone to check!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f

Proves you are a LIAR when you claim i did not reply about "nobeliefs" . In
fact I replied in about five hours on 28 Feb!

>>
>>>I've been
>>> told this by others who have dealt with
>>> you longer than I have.
>>
>> LOL! You post on a topic about hearsay evidence for Jesus and yet you
>> insist i am a liar and a fraus on hearsay evidence? Where is theyre ANY
>> evidence of me lying ANYWHERE?
>
> This goes beyond any articles dealing with religious
> history and mythology.

Indeed! You are losing in that debate and you call other people liars and
try to make personal attacks on them which entirely avoids the debate.


>This deals with you being a
> proven liar and a totally untrustworthy troll.

Really? And your evidence is? Care to let us have it?

You are a joke! When you are LOSING the deabte you resort to "but but you
are a liar" when you have no evidence to support that.
Anyone can check if my opinion is supported or not!

Anyoine who does will see you are lying and it is in the Usenet record!

>>
>> Bt in spite of you NO EVIDENCE but only hearsay for that you are CHANGING
>> the issue. You claimed I did not reply about the "nobeliefs" webpage.
>> Cleearly I not only replied but cut and pasted the reply in a subsequent
>> reply. You IGNORED this and in reply to the cut and past of the original
>> you STILL claimed I had not replied.
>>
>> You are a liar! You are wrong!
>>
>>
>>>So, you owe all of
>>> us an apology. You are a troll who refuses
>>> to check out most information sent to you,
>>> then twists what you read into something
>>> else.
>>
>> You claimed I did not reply several times. Each time Ipointed out I did
>> reply and I even showed you the actual reply.
>
> You have yet to prove this aside from the mutilated
> message which only proves that you are not to be
> trusted.

LIAR! My reply oin 28 Feb

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f



>>
>> You are a liar if you claim otherwise!
>
> You are a proved liar.

LIAR
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f


>>
>> Why fo you try top lie your way out of somreething wehn it is clear I
>> replied in 28 Feb and you kept posting LIES !
>

>>
>>>That is a personal attack on you and
>>> one that you deserve.
>>
>> I am not surprised that when you get caught out in a LIE you try to turn
>> it into a persoanl attack!
>
> Yeah, yeah. This could go on forever, and
> wouldn't you just love that?

apparently YOU might since it sidesteps my reply to your "nobeliefs "
website in which I show up the "hearsay" claim andtie it to Alexander the
Great.

and do not be so foolish to assume this is just tit for tat name calling and
no difference is made!

In FACT, I constantly reenforce my position by the record of you LIES
becvoming mer extensive since you do not yet recognise my reply

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f

Each time I post it it is another reference you ignore and more evidence of
your lyig that I gave you a direct answer and more proof you did not take up
this answer.

>>
>>>
>>> Oh, dear, now you really won't answer
>>> my questions, will you, troll?
>>
>>
>> I already DID answer and asked you what you thought of my answewr.
>>
>> Dont you remember?
>
> No, you didn't, since I never saw it.

You are like the Bishops who refused to look through Galileo's telescope and
believed if they didnt see things through it then those things weren't true!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f


LOL! What a joke you are making of yourself. You are no claiming that a
reply does not exist of you ignore it! "I have my fingers in my ears"
standard of debating!

But in fact, as I pointed out, I pasted the reply into other replies!

I changed the name of the thread to : Back on topic - is there historical
evidence for Jesus
On 2 Mar you posted
Message-ID:
Where you stated I didnt reply:
In
Message-ID: <4aaf2$47cb2e41$4f610a83$26734@news.upc.ie>
I not only reply with a reference but post the entire "nobeliefs" bit!

GO and look! I replied on 28 Feb abnd I referenced that reply in other
replies but you STILL claim I didnt!

>And,
> your spelling gets worse and worse as you
> get angrier and angrier.

You have no evidence I am angry and as a matter of fact my spelling is
mostly typographical errors. I just leave them in.
Do you always try to attack the person when you have lost the debate?

>>
>>>>
>>>> And YOU have blind faith that you are correct. I happen to have
>>>> doccumented evidence that you are wrong and anyone can read that I DID
>>>> reply to you!
>>>
>>> Then, provide it and don't send a bunch of
>>> empty messages
>>
>> LIAR! theyt are all valid references1
>
> No, they were all empty messages back to me.
>>
>>> and a very old message that
>>> wasn't sent to me this time.
>>
>> LIAR my reply of 28 Feb was sent to you!
>>
>>
>> I will prove it!
>>
>>
>> Go to the google homepage.
>>
>> at the top are the words: Web Images Maps News Shopping Gmail more ?
>>
>> click on "more"
>>
>> Select the third on the drop down menu "groups"
>>
>> It will bring you to http://groups.google.com/
>>
>> You can then perform a google groups search
>>
>> search "soc.culture.iraq Roman Catholic Priests and Nine Year Old
>> Choristers - the perfect love story (not)"
>>
>> It will bring you to a thread in alt.religion.islam called "Mohammed and
>> Aisha - The Perfect Love Story "
>>
>> This is the thread which you later joined.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/fc0a39bc4f57d26f/8179aa0fbf2b641b?
>>
>> You will note that you claim about ME crossposting this is FALSE since
>> the thread was begun by Matt on Jan 15 and it was crossposted to the
>> following groups:
>> alt.religion.islam, soc.culture.iraq, soc.culture.pakistan,
>> alt.religion.islam.arabic, uk.religion.islam, aus.religion..islam,
>> aus.politics, alt.atheism
>>
>> I appear at reply 20 25 and 28 on Jan 16.
>>
>> The discussion is changed by BJ foster to Roman Catholic Priests and
>> Nine Year Old Choristers - the perfect love story (not)
>>
>> on Jan 31.
>>
>> I also changed the ttile to : How can anyone produce evidence for
>> somewthing when it is not clearly stated in advance what the thing is?
>> on Feb 22
>>
>>
>> Michelle malkkingposts to theis theread on Feb 23 (Number 4522 in the
>> thread)

Correction 452 - Another typo :) but ill correct it . Because of different
groups these numbers may be out by one or two places. The Usenet message Id
isn't however.


>> Message ID : S8ydnSvzeI0fICLanZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@comcast.com
>>
>> This is the text of Malkin's own words posted:
>> No, it is simply asking you when is the earliest
>> mention of Jesus. It's up to you to prove that
>> the titles refer to him.
>> [end quote]
>
> I believe I asked you that in more than one message,
> since I wasn't getting a reply to it.

YOU CLAIM you were not getting a reply! Clearly if you look at the record
you WERE getting replies but you STILL CLAIM I did not reply!
>>
>> In message Message-ID:
>> on 27 feb (message 458) I ask about applying the sme standards of
>> "historical evidence"to alexander the great as to jesus.
>
> That was directed to Christopher Lee and saw and
> which I responded to with several urls.

This is true! You came into the thread with several references which I took
on as "not being from the time of alexander"

>>
>> Malkin replies to his message on 28 Feb Message-ID:
>>
>> Message 459
>>
>> In that reply he quotes christopher Lee stating
>>
>> [quote]
>>>> Jesus: Supposedly the most important person who ever
>>>> lived
>> [end lees words]
>> he posted a website reference after thsi quote
>> http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
>>
>> I then reply to Malkin
>> Message-ID: <2b8f1$47c6c597$4f610a83$3199@news.upc.ie>
>>
>> I take on ALL of the points he raised except the
>> http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm reference
>
> That was one of the urls that I sent, not Christopher.

This is true! You sent some references about alexander and so did
christopher.

I took all of then on.

But you alone sent this "nobeliefs" reference .

I didnt take it on because it was a reference by you following on from a
comment about Jesus being important in history. AS such I thought it was a
reference supporting that claim. when you brought it to my attention again I
replied about it within hours!

>>
>> Malkin then replises and makes no comment on all of the other material I
>> posted in regard to Malkin's claims about a historical alexander. all he
>> adds to his post is:
>>
>> [quote]
>> Then why did you cut this out or ignore it:
>>
>> http://nobeliefs.com:80/exist.htm
>> [end quote]
>> within hours i reply stating that i did reply but not to the nobeliefs
>> comment because it was only posted after someone elses comment about
>> Jesus being important in history and I did not dispute that.
>> i also posted what Malkin DIDNT comment on i.e. that the sources he gave
>> about Alexander were not written at the time of alexander as is being
>> claimed about "hearsay" eviudence for Christ in the no beliefs webpage.
>> this demonstrates the hypocracy of Malkin's position!
>> But having read the no beliefs site i made a hasty reply.
>> Message number 462: Message-ID:
>> <9e74c$47c71d74$4f610a83$15355@news.upc.ie>
>
> Now you sound like nameless!

Above is the reply about the "nobeliefs" website.
NB Malkin acknowledges all up to this point but he still claims that the
above reply doies not exist and that I never replied about "nobeliefs"!
What a crock!

>>
>> In it I stated about the nobeliefs webpage.
>> NB this is on the 28 Feb.
>> Here is what I stated about the nobeliefs webpage:
>> ************[begin Feb 28 quote]********************
>> Begins caliming hearsay. Definition given: Hearsay means information
>> derived
>> from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.
>>
>> But at least some the scriptures are either the actual words of the
>> people
>> who knew jesus or people who knew his message within a decade e.g. Paul
>> of
>> tarsus.
>> Likewise where is the "non hearsay" in the case of alexander? all the
>> accounts above are hearsay by the definition given!
>
> Now, I'm wondering if you didn't see MY messages
> and that's why you didn't respond directly to me at first.

I DID respopns directly! I replied about "nobeliefs" on 28 Feb!
Message number 462: Message-ID:
9e74c$47c71d74$4f610a83$15355@news.upc.ie>

You keep saying i didnt and calling me a liar about that!
Whay dont you do the "Christian thing" and own up that I DID in fact reply
on 28 Feb?
>
> The following response came after my fifth
> request for you to reply.

Rubbish! Your second third and fourth request all got replies referring you
to the above reply on 28 Feb!
dont lie and claim I didnt reply.

Message number 462: Message-ID:
9e74c$47c71d74$4f610a83$15355@news.upc.ie>
i replied on 28 Feb and you continue to deny that even now!

You are a liar!

What you call a "following response" was a cut and paste of the Feb 28 reply
which I hgad referred you to several times!

[snip Feb reply]

>>
>> *********[end feb 28 quote]************
>>
>> Malkin did not reply!
>>
>> n message 569 I changed the topic to "Back on topic - is there historical
>> evidence for Jesus"
>>
>>
>> Malkin replies with:
>> Good, then maybe you'll finally respond to this which
>> I am sending you for the third time
>> [end quote]
>>
>>
>> I had already trplied TWICE but I wont go into that here.
>>
>> I replied AGAIN
>>
>> Message-ID: <4aaf2$47cb2e41$4f610a83$26734@news.upc.ie>
>> Message 572
>>
>> In which I stated: I replied to it already.
>> Here is the reference:
>> <9e74c$47c71d74$4f610a83$15...@news.upc.ie>
>> [end quote]
>>
>> I then cut an pasted my replyt into the message!
>>
>> Not alone that but I posted all the references to ALL the messages my
>> reply took in in my reply!
>>
>> I end with the words: What do you have to say about my reply?
>>
>> That was on March 2.
>>
>> On march 4 Malkin comes back claiming the references were bogus and that
>> I was lying abnout this reply.
>>
>> What an idiotic claim! I mean I posted the actual usenet references which
>> werte date stamped! But Malkin still says the following are lies!
>>
>> Here is somre of the message 582 reoply oin march 5:
>>
>> You are the LIAR!
>> I have responded to you THREE TIMES!
>> The first was within HOURS of you original question!
>>
>> But of course you wont be big enough to accept that will you?
>>
>>
>> Here are the references:
[snip refs ]
>> [end excerpt]
>
> The webpage url was what I was always writing
> to you about and which you didn't reply to until
> my fifth request.

Look
Quiote simply I think you are WRONG about this. And I think you are
continually lying and the record proves that.
But let us give you a chance.
Okay why dont YOU go and pull the references to all six of you messages
including the requests for a reply.

Post the google archive references to these requests.

ANYONE can then look at the preceeding message and see whether it contains a
reply or a quote from a reply about "nobeliefs"

ANYONE can then see if you took on the issue of caomparing historicity of
Jesus with alexander the great and Socrates or just focusesd on the
"nobeliefs" webpage.

>Any other responses between us
> were separate. I was asking about that url. And,
> since I reposted it every time, that was obvious.

You asked about the "nobeliefs " URL several times.

Care to go and list where you asked!

then we can go and see if i replied with either a REFERENCE to my original
reply or a QUOTATION of my original reply of Feb 28.

Note however we should not forget that you not alone IGNORED the reply about
your URL but you also have nothing to say about the other part of the reply
on the historicity of alexander!

>>
>>
>>
>> Just take ANY one of the references and put it into a googles groops
>> search.
>
> Forget it, Mavis lad/lassie

No I wont ! And the usenet record wont since you awere caught out lying!

> You knew that I was
> writing about http://nobeliefs.com:80/exist.htm
> all along, but you kept switching the subject.

So you claim! But I replied to all the other stuff and you have nothing soto
say on that!
You came back with t one liner about "nobeliefs"
I immediately replied oin "nobeliefs" and you IGNORED this reply and
clkaimed I didnt reply.

You are lying! Anyone can see that I replied on "nobeliefs" and I replied on
all the other stuff as well!

But rather than take on my reply you try to change it into a personal attack
on me and produce your LIE claiming I didnt reply!

This is a new one on all debaters who want to avoidn taking on the acuual
issued raised!.
Just claim your opponednt never replied ,is lying and everyone can forget
abou the debate.

The fatal falw is that there is a RECORD of my reply and of the entire
debate!

>I
> was warned that you'd do this, too, and you did.

Hearsay argument! You are lying about my reply which you got on 28 fen about
no beliefs and you have not responded on that reply:

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i replied on 28 Feb and you continue to deny that even now!


> I've lost all interest in corresponding with you.

I dont care whether you are interested or not! The point is you GOT A REPLY
on 28 Feb about "nobeliefs" which you ignored and whioch you claim never
existed!


> You lie, you twist things around and your history
> sucks. Consider yourself plonked. Don't even try
> to consider this some kind of stupid victory. You
> simply aren't worth my time.

Michelle Malkin prioven liar and atheist number one on his own list!

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i replied on 28 Feb!

Malkin claims he never got a reply and thst I am a liar.
Clearly Malkin ia the LIAR .
But rather than do the "Christian thing" and admit being WRONG Malkin
ignores the person who replied to him on 28 feb!


Malkin now does what he accuses others of! He ignores the reply about
"nobeliefs" . He comes here claiming thay I was ignoring his replies and now
it turns out Malkin is ignoring mine!

What a hypocrit!

Guilty of the things of which he dishonestly accuses others!